Breaking my Hubzilla...

Walkaway guy
Something is seriously screwed wit my instance. Please see
and you'll find a post there that I think should be visible here, but it is not.
Mike Macgirvin
I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong at the moment. Renaming a site usually does have a few side effects and it takes a bit of time for the changes to show up on other sites in the network.
M. Dent
!Hubzilla Advocacy


I procured the domain and set it up with an SSL Cert (Let's Encrypt).  Currently it redirects to

Hopefully nobody objects (if they do, I can remove the redirect).
Mike Macgirvin
I gave up a year or two ago and whoever was squatting on it let it expire last month. So another few weeks and you can probably get that, if you want.
M. Dent
It looked like that was the case, then it looked like the registrar had it locked until 2019.  I wonder if they paid the extra to recover it? (Or I read the who's info wrong - I'll have to recheck)
M. Dent
Read the whois records wrong.  I was looking at several domains and must have mixed them up in my head.  I'll try to keep an eye on it and nab it.

I've also nabbed as a cheap introductory price.... renewals aren't as cheap as I'd like but won't break the bank.  Just leaving it parked for the moment.
Got Zot? Another great article!

M. Dent
Lots of people have spent a lot of time writing a lot of good stuff on Zot and Hubzilla!  Here's another great example!

Got Zot?


An introduction to the protocol that powers Hubzilla2017/08/01 The world is full of protocols. Some are loosely defined by society, and some are rigidly defined by their architects. In many urban environments, for example, there is a protocol for how you ride an escalator: if you choose to stand, you stand on the right side so that those who choose...
Andrew Manning
I just noticed that I never concluded that article properly. I had more detail in a draft about channels with new graphics but never finished them. I need to correct this. For now I can just remove the last paragraph.
Andrew Manning
I added some content about what nomadic identity actually is to try concluding a bit better.
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It is very well written and contains a lot of "new" info for an average user on the net. I really like it.

[edited incomplete sentence...oops]
More good stuff!

M. Dent
It’s like totally time to build your web site on Hubzilla


Hubzilla is a free and open-source software stack providing a decentralized network of hubs, much like a social network.
Hubzilla Publishing Explained --- WELL!

Hubzilla Advocacy
What Some People are Saying

Hubzilla Advocacy
Nice entry level review of Hubzilla!

Experimenting with a channel-based approach for online resource sharing


Could Hubzilla provide a base to build from for Project MoodleNet?
The Issue of Digital Privacy Nicely put in focus

M. Dent
Andrew ManningAndrew Manning wrote the following post Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:49:51 -0400
Introduce privacy into your online life
Most people who use web services have no idea how privacy works in the digital realm. This is primarily due to the fact that the services and software they use do not support their privacy. This article provides an introduction to some of the basic concepts of privacy and guides you in ways to bring some privacy to your life online.

Webpage form:

@Hubzilla Advocacy+
Handy Chart summarizing channel types

M. Dent
h.ear.t | tobiash.ear.t | tobias wrote the following post Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:26:36 -0400
Hubzilla Channel Roles - An Overview
When you register at Hubzilla you are presented with a choice of channel roles. There are
  • social channels with varying privacy settings
  • forums with varying privacy settings
  • feed channels
  • a soap box function for announcement only channels
  • group repositories

The docs explain the basics about what is what, but I was always missing a tabled overview. So I created one.

Nicely done!

@Hubzilla Advocacy+
Finish this sentence. With Hubzilla, I _________________.

M. Dent
With Hubzilla, I am always drawn back to its privacy options, security, many features and possibilities, after playing elsewhere.
Einer von Vielen
... I feel save to share photos, calender and thoughts with my family
...I feel getting the oportunity offerd of being within intersectional communities within an online space where I have the power to decide about my data. Now we just need other groups using it for that purpose too.
GOOD QUESTION: What is HUBZILLA really about? Communities or Websites?

M. Dent
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From a comment on another thread:

One reason Hubzilla isn't as successful than other community systems is IMHO the concept itself. The community is not at first place but creating websites.

Reference: where it states
Hubzilla is a powerful platform for creating interconnected websites.

@Hubzilla Advocacy+

(HT: Holger for the question!)
M. Dent
Mario VavtiMario Vavti wrote the following post Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:54:42 -0400
The marketing of the software is directed towards people which build communities not towards the actual community members.
Mike Macgirvin
The marketing of the software is directed towards people which build communities not towards the actual community members.

This was an important concept four years ago. I'm not sure I'd stick with it. Maybe yes, maybe no. They (community builders) turned out to be a pretty fickle bunch.  Let's take a survey of those that are now creating sites and see what their common purposes are.
h.ear.t | tobias
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Groups likely to be sympathetic to Hubzilla

Cat Gun
Andrew Manning
@M. Dent , you remind me so much of myself a few years ago when I started participating in the Hubzilla project development and outreach :-)
M. Dent
I think I'll take that as a compliment. smiling face with open mouth and smiling eyes
It does mean you have to grow a beard (or at least a mini one).
hubzilla in the time of SESTA/FOSTA

@Hubzilla Advocacy+
I like the idea of this forum with a focus 'how to get hubzilla into the public' aka hubzilla advocacy.

While discussing a general strategy in first hand to then get into specific strategies might be a better aproach, I'd like to start with a specific one. For the following reason:

SESTA/FOSTA a new law that just has passed in the US. If I understood correct, its changes will take effect from now on. It was to be told being a law to tackle sex trafficking, but is in fact a discriminative tool stigmaticing sexworkers and eliminating their online communities. (and acting against free expression, starting with a minority)
That in fact is adding more economic pressure on them and making them more volunarable for sex trafficking. trafficking is an issue, that's out of question. But on how to counter this issue, sexworkers are the subject matter experts of their own field.

They (many) have decided online communities as something important to them. An right that the US is acting against now.

The initative #AssemblyFour is this activly countering now through their freshly opend service at (mastodon with some modification)

(if I know correct, in leading position of this initative are ppl being #sexworker and a transwomen.)

During the first days +20.000 users have joined. Right now they are gaining coveradge by 'big news'.

See here for example:
or this:

Obviosly sexworker have different needs on how a plattform should work.
Mastodon is great, but is missing a couple of functions that could be of great interest to them.

My idea would be to find out how #hubzilla with it's current functions could be best used for their needs, creating a test acc., writing a short summary and presenting it to AssemblyFour.

If you're afraid about bad reputation for hubzilla, keep in mind that it's done in the context of supporting an anyway already marginalized group against state repression.

pls let me know what do you think of it.
Haakon Meland Eriksen (Parlementum)
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I think you are on to something, @h.ear.t | tobias , a visualization bottom-up. :-)

However, I think it makes sense to extract common features even more, e.g. where do hashtags, mentions, notifications, category labels fit in?

If you do this, drop the colours at first, then reintroduce the colours afterwards. Different colours indicate grouping, e.g. everything green is is connected and separate from blue. Colour gradients, e.g. dark green to light green, indicate degree of a common feature. Currently, you do not seem to have settled these two ways of using colours to convey meaning.

Also, if possible, use a label only once, e.g. do not repeat the word Hubzilla as you move upwards. A title might be "Hubzilla", or if you prefer, the bottom horizontal bar. If you do the latter, then the next horizontal bar might be just "Core".

A way to do this might be to change from horizontal bars to thin-lined rounded squares. The out-most is "Hubzilla", inside that at the bottom is "Core". Inside "Core" is "Protocol", inside "Protocol" is "Zot", inside "Zot" is "Nomadic ID" and "Magic Auth". Inside "Core" are other features of core. Above "Core" might be other rounded boxes, like "Apps" and next to "Apps" is "Plugins", if there is any point in differentiating between what you get "out of the box" and what you might add from extra sources.
h.ear.t | tobias
I just published the first version of the introduction/turorial that is ment to be focused on sexworker/clients, specially from the US.

you'll find it here:

Hubzilla Advocacy
There are a number of groups that already exist in an effort to support the Hubzilla ecosystem.  Support and Development discussions have their own channels.  But I haven't found a channel specifically designated to the discussion of strategy and planning to advocate for the platform in a cohesive, sustained fashion.  Seeing the need, I created one.  WELCOME!

This is a space for Hubzilla "evangelists" to discuss and strategize plans for advocacy of the Hubzilla platform.

I'm not big into rules.  Aside from human decency in discussion and behavior, there is one guideline regarding the goals and purposes of this space.  This space is to gather together those who wish to advocate and work on gaining new members in the ecosystem AS IT IS.  It is  NOT a place to whine about lack of features, usability, or other issues.  Some leeway will be given under the heading of "hurdles to adoption."  But "if onlyism" will not be tolerated.  ("If only we had xxx feature/yyy got fixed/zzz were true.... then adoption would skyrocket!"   Whether or not the statement is reasonable or even provably correct is irrelevant.  Whatever comes after, "if only," is not what exists today and this group is about promoting and building a user base for the platform AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

The platform as it exists to day is usable, robust, and has much to offer.  I constantly find something new within the platform as it already exists that blows my mind and is extremely useful.  No, it isn't always easy to do.  Yes, Hubzilla expects a lot from it's users -- and that is a GOOD THING!  It means the devs and those involved in the project aren't the "high and mighty," glass house, ivory tower types who look down on everyone else.  They believe people are intelligent and capable and can be responsible.

As time goes on and we gain a core group of evangelists, hopefully this will be a robust place with a lot of ideas and resources for those who may not be able to participate in down and dirty development, but love the platform and wish more people would use it.

EVERYTHING can be improved upon.  Route your suggestions for improvement to the proper places - or, better yet, figure out what you, personally, can do to make it happen.  But this is NOT the place for those discussions.
Christopher M. Rasch
Thanks for creating this forum!  I think it's a good idea.
Hubzilla Advocacy
Indeed, I think it will be a good addition to the ecosystem.  I also think we have a tremendous opportunity with "the Zuck" on the "hotseat" and many people looking to make a move.  That's why the emphasis on the project AS IS and not looking forward.  I hope we can have some really good discussion and work together to get some action plans in place.
M. Dent

The intention behind creating this forum was to begin the higher level "meta" conversations needed to develop tools and resources for those who desire to do "outreach".

In this view, "outreach" is packaging and tailoring the overall message to specific groups and may even involve itself in implementation details for the specific use-cases of various communities.

The purpose and goal of the @Hubzilla Advocacy forum is to support such activity in a more generalized fashion - without discussion of tailoring for specific use cases.  That doesn't mean such work is unimportant.  It just falls outside of the parameters of this space.

Discussions in this forum should be directed toward the general aims of generating awareness and discussing general use cases.  Anyone is more than welcome to start a forum for "Hubzilla Integration" or "Hubzilla Outreach" where specific use-cases are discussed if that is their area of interest.  But those are beyond the scope of this forum, irrespective of the community or the aims and purposes of that community.

This forum is an opportunity for all differing communities to come together for the sake of the platform and it's overall adoption and use.