Fediverse Podcast

There's a new podcast about the Fediverse hosted by @kevinflo@mastodon.social

A knowledgeable person might do a little PR for Hubzilla... could probably get booked for a future episode.
fdroid want to become part of the fediverse

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fdroid is about thinking of how they can get some fediverse integration.
May someone of you got some time to read through their discussions and see if and how hubzilla could be an apropriate solution.

they are also looking for help to have it developed for their specific needs.

here's where most of the discussion is going:

some maybe also here:
Another report highlighting Redmatrix/Hubzilla

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Only read the abstract, but this looks very interesting!

That article reminds me... I followed up on some of the discussion from that summit with one of the panelists who sounded all excited to help out and offer advice to DWeb projects... My question was fairly simple, "you and fellow panelists offered help... how do we initiate a discussion?" I never received any sort of repy. Did someone from the project do something to tick off the EFF or Cindy Cohn specifically?
I didn't find the word 'Hubzilla' in that text
Hubzilla = Redmatrix - the project was renamed in 2015.

Here's a great history of Hubzilla: http://www.talkplus.org/blog/2016/the-history-of-hubzilla/
How to Install Hubzilla on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

Randomly searching via #DuckDuckGo today and found these two sites with a guide on how to install #Hubzilla in #Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

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Fediverse article in Wikipedia

Good morning everyone in the #Fediverse 8-)

It's time to check if the protocols marked as "Yes" or "no" are correct for the listed fediverse platforms/software in the #Wikipedia fediverse article. I just finished converting it into sortable table and collecting references, however, I can not claim that I have the protocols accurately marked.

Here's the link:

(cross-posted: !Hubzilla Advocacy )
Ah, yes, please do. I didn't touch that part, only the list, turned it into a table so it's presentable (since write.as and PeerTube are linking to the Fediverse page… might as well make it easy to consume).
 from Friendica
The Fediverse used to refer to the network of OStatus nodes, but since Mastodon became dominant, and both Mastodon and Pleroma implemented ActivityPub in addition to OStatus, it now additionally means the network of ActivityPub nodes.

The network of Diaspora nodes is The Federation.

All social networks -- Federation, Fediverse, DFRN and Zot, are monitored at https://the-federation.info/ .
 from Friendica
The Venn diagrams contain some mistakes, but the article is spot on: https://medium.com/we-distribute/a-quick-guide-to-the-free-network-c069309f334
SNEAK PREVIEW - Should I Stay? Or Should I Go? (Part 2: Using the right tool for the job.)

Feel free to comment or make suggestions.  I likely won't be publishing as a followup it for a few days.

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In Part 1 we asserted that Facebook is primarily a MEDIA company that has social engagement features.

In this followup article, we discuss whether Facebook is a tool suited for productivity and actually getting things done.

What Are We Trying to Get Done?

Aside from media created purely for entertainment and amusement, most media intended to be consumed by any significant audience is produced as the result of or as a by-product of other activities. The church newsletter, the family photo album or Christmas letter, the corporate annual report are all media productions intended to summarize and describe the productive activities of a group or a company that would otherwise be unknown. Even commercials and advertisements are selling a product or service which is the result of efforts and work that is most often completely unrelated to media production.

The reality is, very few people have a job where a significant portion of their work is to distribute media for consumption on any significant scale. Even professional entertainers whose primary job of an entertainer is to amuse others and distract them from productive work as the court fool amused and distracted the king in years gone by is in the business of PRODUCING media, not primarily in distributing it.

With this in mind, the question of the practical utility of being on a media platform comes to the surface.

Facebook at its core is a platform that facilitates the distribution and the ability to consume it "socially," as a shared experience with others.

Even if you disagree with this assessment, and you consider Facebook a “social” platform, we must still agree that “socialization” is far different from productivity.

So, Facebook is the right place to be if you are seeking to consume media.  Facebook is also the right place to be if you are one of those few people whose job it is to distribute media produced by yourself or others.  And finally, Facebook is the right place to be if you want to "socialize," (which in our media driven culture most often ends up a group of people consuming media together and discussing it).  

But is it the right place to be if you are seeking to get something productive done?

Because of its nature in permitting social interaction and the fact that Facebook does provide some tools that can help gather individuals around a virtual table to collectively work on something, people have put it to use as a tool to be productive.

But a careful look at the tools and resources Facebook provides reveals that they really are not up to the task of serious productivity. This is primarily true because those tools are centered around the distribution, consumption, and discussion media "posted" on the platform (status posts, memes, clips, animated gifs, etc.)

The newsfeed structure is ephemeral and updates only last until the next update comes along. Though posts exist "forever," there is no mechanism for permanance in the newsfeed and there is no regard for importance, only the urgency of, "what does Facebook, through it's secret sauce of "algorithms" think I should be paying attention to right now?"

Even within Facebook Groups, sharing data and resources in any meaningful way is almost as cumbersome as using email to share files and data. Organizing tasks and data, setting goals, and having a sub-group engage over a period of time in a collaborative manner with more than just a very few people in the group is likewise doable but excruciatingly difficult.

All of this is because at its core, Facebook is about broadcasting and announcing “what’s new, right now!” Real productivity takes effort expended over time often in cooperation with others in an organized manner.

It seems that Facebook has recognized this shortcoming and has developed a new platform called “Facebook Workplace” to “help.” But that simply means that they, themselves, recognize the validity of the main point being made: as a media platform that aims to "feed" us media to consume, the Facebook we all know and love is not suited to productivity and getting things done.

People are trying to use Facebook for productivity primarily because the platform has become so familiar, not because it is the right tool for the job. It is because “everybody” is on Facebook, they are familiar with the interface, and, let's face it, people don’t want to have to remember yet another username and password.  So we try to “make do” and try to use this platform that is ill-suited to the aims of productivity to accomplish something substantive and do meaningful work.

Any group that succumbed to this temptation has discovered that while the Facebook platform works well for broadcasting status updates and distributing media based work product with a broader audience, there is still a need to heavily supplement Facebook with additional tools and resources to do most of the “heavy lifting” of productivity, even the most basic things.

A quick preview of the available features in "Facebook Workplaces" indicates that this won't change on that platform.  It appears to be more or less the same Facebook platform cordoned off in some ways with access restricted to the workgroup(s) involved. And while such a reduction of distraction will help, it doesn’t answer the core productivity issues.
All Your Bases Are Belong To Us

There is, of course, another concern with attempting to do work on a platform that monetizes the data we voluntarily turn over to them.  This monetization of your personal and company data is still "baked in" to "Facebook Workplaces."  And unless an organization is willing to shell out $3/user/month (an amount that indicates how much your personal data is actually worth!), Facebook will be the “data controller” and the “data processor” under the terms of the GDPR. And even if you don't know what that means, their intention with this designation is made clear in the terms and conditions of service.

Just like on the "Free" Facebook platform we all know and love, Facebook will be using all of the information uploaded, communicated, and stored on the “free” version of "Facebook Workplaces," to sell to you and to profile you, and to track and monitor you and to alter your experience of the world by altering the things you see in your newsfeed.

Their Terms specifically state:

    “Facebook will use the information that we collect to provide, develop, improve and monetize the Services, as well as the Facebook Services and those services provided by the Facebook Companies. Examples of such use include: . . . personalizing and customizing your experiences as part of our provision of the Services including presenting you with content, communications, or topics (including paid content) that you may be interested in or that are popular or trending within your Business community; . . . We may also share the information we collect with third-party partners and customers who help us to provide and improve our Services or other Facebook Services or who use our advertising or related products, which makes it possible to provide Workplace Standard as free service to you. . . . We collect, use and share the data that we have in the ways described above: . . . as necessary for our (or others') legitimate interests, including our interests in providing an innovative, personalised, safe and profitable Service to our users and partners, . . .”

While many scoff and are dismissive of the many privacy concerns raised by the main Facebook platform claiming they are careful of what they post and have nothing to hide and thereby no reason to be concerned, few if any would say similar things about their email boxes, their private correspondence, and their personal notes or even interoffice memos. Yet, the FB Workplace platform (just as the regular Facebook platform does) will scour all of those things (just as Google does with Gmail and GDrive) in order to “personalize and customize your experiences . . . including presenting you with content, communications, or topics (including paid content) that you may be interested in.” (And none of this even touches on the ability for data included even in "Private" groups and one-to-one messages to be used for algorithmic targeting or may be disclosed to investigators and law enforcement as third-party business records if they are older than 90 or 180 days [depending on whether they have been receieved by the intended recipient or not]).

The decision to "stay" or "go" is not as cut and dry as it may first appear. It may be better to take a step or two back and ask, "Is what Facebook IS suited for the use I'm trying to make of it?"

Much frustration could be reduced by this question.

Media consumption is part of our culture. Facebook is another portal through which to consume media and adds the ability to socially interact with comments and conversation about the media that is mutually being consumed.  The platform also allows anyone with an account to distribute media that they have produced and so contribute and participate in community in that way.

But that is the extent of the tool.

To attempt to do more than that with these tools is to fall victim to the temptation of trying to pound in screws because the only tool you have is a hammer.

The world needs something else. If we want to do meaningful work online, there is a desperate need to use a platform that will not only permit us to be social and communicate interactively, we need a platform that will actually allow us to come together and collaborate and work together to accomplish shared goals and purposes.  Not a platform designed to allow us (and everyone else) to compete for attention by standing on the street corner shouting out our ideas and thoughts hoping others will hear them; not a platform that allows us to distribute compelling media in order to get people to "follow" us, but a platform that allows people to meet as peers and equals and interact in a virtual environment as we roll up our sleeves and attempt to actually get things done.

Such a platform needs to provide a robust framework for security and privacy.  It needs to allow users to have an identity that can be used securely anywhere throughout the network so they have only ONE username and password to remember that grants them access just about anywhere.

In the best scenario, it would allow anyone who wants to the ability to have physical control over their own data and serve it from their own privately owned and operated server while still allowing a person to connect to other servers running the same platform anywhere in the world.  Even better if it allows individual users to easily and effortlessly clone and copy their data to other servers for backup and resilience against attempts at "deplatforming".  In addition to all this, it needs a reasonably robust array of options for communications, storage, and presentation of data and information.  And, finally, it should be flexible and able to be adapted to the specific needs of a group or company or institution without sacrificing the ability to intercommunicate with others outside that group or company.

It sounds like a "pipe dream" and an impossible piece of software.

But it already exists and is in use.  Is it perfect? No.  Is it as easy to use as a system you have been already using for 5 or 10 or 14 years?  Probably not.  But it is functional and robust and can be installed today.  There are also individuals and companies that will permit you and each member of your group to create an account on their server and begin learning and getting things done.

Visit https://usezot.com or https://zot.social to find out more!
Great article! But probably to much to read for f* users? 😃
The main audience is a number of friends who know how verbose I can be...
Something I'm working on

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Should I Stay?  Or Should I Go?  (Part 1) – DM42.Net


A Facebook friend of mine posted an interesting request recently, “Give me two reasons to stay on Facebook and also give me two reasons to leave Facebook.” Now, my friend’s post prompted quite a number of thoughtful responses from people who obviously took time to consider the request carefully. Many of them pointed to really good reasons to ...
For me, two reasons: marketing and network. We can sue these two up as "reach".

I realised this with Friendster. I had the largest groups in it out of being a fan of various products. One day, I deleted my account, and all groups were deleted with it.

Then came a day when I need those groups for a particular new product I was working for and it's just gone. I thought then that I should've kept the account.

Facebook is the same. You need a regular account for managing Pages and Groups. You need an account that is believable, that when someone reported as fake, you can prove easily that it isn't. That requires a real account of yourself.

It's how Facebook cornered the market. They knew early in the game it's how they can keep people from leaving.

Of course, if your job has nothing to do with community management and marketing, it's very easy to delete accounts. But if that's your job, and if you are also an analyst (another job of mine), you need to build a profile, protect that profile, and stay connected.

It's basically what I do in my FB account, keep it real and easy to take back.

As much as I want to leave FB (and Twitter), it's not an option for my line of work. :) Sad, no?
Way to take the bull by the horns

Some folks have resurrected the effort at getting an article approved on Wikipedia for Hubzilla.  And looks like plans for a concerted effort!   Great work @King Emir !
yacy - distributed web crawler and search engine

Just learned from a PureOS (Beta) ticket that Debian is preparing a package for yacy, which sounds quite interesting! Has anybody experience with this?

And can Hubzilla be related to this approach some useful way?
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YaCy - The Peer to Peer Search Engine: Home
A Peer to Peer Web Search Engine

#452422 - RFP: yacy -- distributed web crawler and search engine - Debian Bug report logs


With PureOS, you are the only one in control of your digital life. PureOS is a derivative of Debian GNU/Linux, with the best privacy-protecting software applications preinstalled. With GNOME 3 and Wayland, enjoy fluid high-framerate videos, frame-perfect animations and better power management. PureOS helps you surf the web safely, without being tra...

Of course, you could modify your instance to return skewed results, but how much would that matter for other instances? It's much easier to control this in a centralised search engine than a distributed one.
It's a matter of trust.
I used to run one of these, it's fun if you want a custom search on some poorly indexed sites but most peers just seem to index random crap. You could search for wikipedia and wikipedia.org wouldn't even show up in the results.
Reddit surpasses Facebook in visits

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This is good news in a number of ways for tools like Hubzilla.   What do you think are the reasons for such a shift?

Reddit surpasses Facebook to become the 3rd most visited site in the US


According to Alexa – the Amazon-owned web traffic analyzing platform – more people now visit Reddit than Facebook in the US. Spotted, of course, on Reddit by user IamATechieNerd, the stats will be a big boost for the social sharing platform, especially with many users still irked about the recent re-design. It’s important to note that analyzing web …
Surprising, in a way. I wouldn't have thought it.
I never visited reddit I even don't know what it is :D
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Hmmm... I see a whole lot of usecases/apps where #Hubzilla would be a perfect fit. But it's not even listed once. And that's a disappointment mes chers amis français. But anyway: I LOVE the map!
balubalu wrote the following post Tue, 29 May 2018 12:59:33 -0400

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Fediverse physical meeting in Barcelona

Hi there! It's too close in time to be an invite, but in Barcelona we are holding an informal [multi]fediversal meeting tomorrow :)
I attach the poster. Just to say I'll be sharing thoughts on and goodnesses of Hubzilla :)
I may share back conclusions and feelings!

Main poster in catalan

In esperanto

In english

Oh, you can find the organizing entity here https://confederac.io/fediversal
 Lüdinghausen,  last edited: Wed, 16 May 2018 17:20:52 -0400  
!Hubzilla Advocacy !Hubzilla Support Forum Good evening/day Hubzillies, good morning Mike!

There is a very interesting discussion on the Hubzilla Support Forum which I really appreciated for all the very constructive content as it also got me thinking about what I want to do with my hub... where, as of now, a personal friend of mine and myself are the only channel owners.

Shall I "open" it to other people (who I don't know personally) by making it public?

Honestly, hosting a hub for other people than yourself is a huge responsibility even without considering the new EU wide regulations. I wouldn't want to take that responsibility other than for immediate family and (close) friends. It's just a matter of trust on multiple levels.

But the subject of Data-Privacy in general and the GDPR could also be addressed as a very strong argument for SELF-hosting your channel on your OWN hub (by using a web-hosting provider, if you don’t have the means to do it “at-home”). We know it's not (much) more difficult than setting & getting up a WordPress instance...

So as I have been helping several dozens of people and friend’s blogs and businesses getting their stuff out on the web since 1998, I could do the very same for whoever would like to open a Hubzilla instance...

Sure, Hubzilla as of now, is indeed a very complex beast and not everyone is capable of understanding and/or maintaining it. To change that, by making it less complex and educating "the many" people to run it themselves - THAT would truly change the way we deal with privacy, data and the social side of networking.

Hubzilla is not there yet. It still needs a too steep learing curve for the user and for a Hubmin, it requires regular interventions to maintain a secure and up-to-date operation. But if I look back on WordPress - just as an example, not necessarily a role model - the WP auto-updater for core and (many)plugins changed my life so much... I might only spend 10% of the time I used before to support the website owners who relied on my (free) services... why shouldn't that also be possible with a software wich is already so good, that there is no real challenger to the depth and width of it's functionality...

My host offers a Hubzilla compatible package starting from EUR 6,36/month - and I am sure there are many even cheaper/better options available on the market.

If a professional/commercial ISP/WebHost would put that idea into life as part of their regular business model - by supporting a domain/hub customer as they do with (some) their website business - regulary just pushing updated software to their customers, keeping the databases consistent and leaving the whole administration & content alone - I'd be the first in line to buy and recommend such a service to everyone I know! It would, for sure require a MAJOR work for the developers - and it might actually be too much to ask for.

In my humble opinion, only THEN Hubzilla could be a major enabler to have it's potential "many users" truly OWN their DATA... otherwise it's only enabling those who have what it takes to run and operate a hub. Which is absolutely great and the reason why I use it.

But: Anything less than that, a solution provided by a friend or a community is a compromise. Not necessarily a bad compromise. But the question remains: Why should I / can I trust that friend/community/company with my personal data?

It needs time, it needs a community, it needs people helping people.

I know nothing – but I’m willing to learn and to share.

That’s why I am here.
Thanks for setting me up with the directions to your collective, Jan Ulrich! A VERY interesting concept as such! Now if we would have not one, but many of such "collectives", that might really enable a change on the marketplace! But I also don't have any issue with purely commercial approaches to the vision either. Only as many flavours as possible make an infrastucture really resistant to monopolization.

I'll consider hostsharing.net the next time I'll be seting up a hub for someone. It might also be a good place to just host some clone of my existing channels.
Decentralization Isn't the full answer, but it can help!

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You Can’t Opt Out Of Sharing Your Data, Even If You Didn’t Opt In


The Golden State Killer, who terrorized Californians from Sacramento to Orange County over the course of a decade, committed his last known murder in 1986, the …
Thank you for sharing this!
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[Proposal] Community effort - Hubzilla - Social plaform with great potential.


Short update We've fixed small issues such as inability to upload images, fixed some server setup etc.   @antilopa managed to create a base theme from derived from the default hubzilla (redbasic) theme, so we can properly start working on new theme.    All the disrooters that jumped on the train helping out, are now busy testing, trying, breaking and documenting all the million features hubzilla brings.
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Why would businesses want Facebook culling through their internal business communications?!  Here is definitely an angle for Hubzilla in terms of marketing and advocacy.

Any photograph here using #hubzilla?

#flickr got just sold to #SmugMug and thought that could be an oportunity to introduce people how hubzilla could be used for presenting their images.
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I don't know about a plugin that works with Flickr. Recently @Christopher M. Rasch compiled a nice list of Hubzilla plugins on the wiki: https://project.hubzilla.org/wiki/hubzilla/Hubzilla%2BProject/Plugins%2BTable

There are already some widgets for displaying photos and albums from the Hubzilla file storage that you can use in Hubzilla Webpages, for example. If you are looking to have complete control over the presentation and interaction with your photos yet maintain the decentralized access control over the content, an addon would probably be the way to go. Still, you might be able to achieve what you want using a theme instead, but I'm not certain.
I haven't seen any plugins that worked with Flickr yet.
Turn on Webpages in your channel settings. Go to Webpages. Add a layout like this, change the album name. Create a public webpage and select this layout. The public album images will now be displayed by the Portfolio widget, like this -  https://elsmussols.org/page/parlehaakon/flowersforyou :-)




[var=album]Flowers for you[/var]
[var=title]Flowers for You - Love and Friendship[/var]
Breaking my Hubzilla...

Something is seriously screwed wit my instance. Please see
and you'll find a post there that I think should be visible here, but it is not.

I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong at the moment. Renaming a site usually does have a few side effects and it takes a bit of time for the changes to show up on other sites in the network.
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I procured the domain usezot.com and set it up with an SSL Cert (Let's Encrypt).  Currently it redirects to https://project.hubzilla.org

Hopefully nobody objects (if they do, I can remove the redirect).
I gave up getzot.com a year or two ago and whoever was squatting on it let it expire last month. So another few weeks and you can probably get that, if you want.
It looked like that was the case, then it looked like the registrar had it locked until 2019.  I wonder if they paid the extra to recover it? (Or I read the who's info wrong - I'll have to recheck)
Read the whois records wrong.  I was looking at several domains and must have mixed them up in my head.  I'll try to keep an eye on it and nab it.

I've also nabbed zot.social as a cheap introductory price.... renewals aren't as cheap as I'd like but won't break the bank.  Just leaving it parked for the moment.
Got Zot? Another great article!

Lots of people have spent a lot of time writing a lot of good stuff on Zot and Hubzilla!  Here's another great example!

Got Zot?


An introduction to the protocol that powers Hubzilla2017/08/01 The world is full of protocols. Some are loosely defined by society, and some are rigidly defined by their architects. In many urban environments, for example, there is a protocol for how you ride an escalator: if you choose to stand, you stand on the right side so that those who choose...
  last edited: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:40:21 -0400  
It is very well written and contains a lot of "new" info for an average user on the net. I really like it.

[edited incomplete sentence...oops]
Who wrote this article? I added it as an external link to the Wikipedia draft article.
You will see that for all the external links, I mentioned the source, the date and the author. And I organized them as follows: sort: source; order: publishing date. And I added more links.
If I'm not mistaken, "our own" @Andrew Manning  was the author.